{"id":10556,"date":"2017-09-11T21:04:11","date_gmt":"2017-09-12T01:04:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=10556"},"modified":"2017-12-23T11:31:07","modified_gmt":"2017-12-23T15:31:07","slug":"episode-235-liz-hand-and-john-clute","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-235-liz-hand-and-john-clute","title":{"rendered":"Episode 235 &#8211; Liz Hand and John Clute"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10557\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-235-liz-hand-and-john-clute\/1340710610-img_4605\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg?fit=968%2C1296\" data-orig-size=\"968,1296\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;2.8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;iPhone 4&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1320346069&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;3.85&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;320&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.066666666666667&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"1340710610-IMG_4605\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg?fit=463%2C620\" class=\"alignright wp-image-10557\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg?resize=525%2C703\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"703\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg?resize=463%2C620 463w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg?resize=329%2C440 329w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg?resize=768%2C1028 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/1340710610-IMG_4605.jpg?w=968 968w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Virtual Memories Show 235:<br \/>\nLiz Hand and John Clute<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3642\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-10556-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3\">http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=10556-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I think of a collector as a gardener, rather than someone who just buys books. Like gardeners, they do a lot of murdering. They cull books.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s another <a href=\"http:\/\/readercon.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Readercon<\/a> episode! First, <a href=\"http:\/\/elizabethhand.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Liz Hand<\/a> rejoins the show for a little conversation about what she&#8217;s been reading lately (it&#8217;s some creepy stuff, of course), the regenerative aspects of Readercon, why the novella is ideal for dark\/spooky fiction, and whether the attendee wearing an ASIA t-shirt is doing so ironically. Then <a href=\"http:\/\/johnclute.co.uk\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Clute<\/a> talks about the ruins of futurity and the launch of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tellurideinstitute.org\/clute-science-fiction-library.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Clute Science Fiction Library<\/a> at Telluride Institute. We get into the need for visual presentation and accessibility of original books in their context (including dust jackets), his transition from book accumulator to collector, the externalization of one&#8217;s mind into one&#8217;s library, why he doesn&#8217;t write fiction, the Easter eggs he sneaks into the <a href=\"http:\/\/sf-encyclopedia.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Science Fiction Encyclopedia<\/a>, why <em>Galaxy Quest<\/em> is the best <em>Star Trek<\/em> movie (except for <em>Wrath of Khan<\/em>), reaching a uniform degree of incompletion, generational shifts in SF\/F, and the sneaky adoption of Fantastika. <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Give it a listen!<\/a> And go buy Liz Hand&#8217;s new collection, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1629632341\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1629632341&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=481fb09c1d8226a09d525fe3adcb61a2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Fire.<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1629632341\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, and her Cass Neary novels: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0156031345\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0156031345&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=65e4a17241b60154f509d888e510ec4d\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Generation Loss<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0156031345\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1250013232\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1250013232&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=9302ffe31a923f5cfa81196db28faff7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Available Dark<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1250013232\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1250030382\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1250030382&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=77dfd5d7966513e60201f22c4149ad81\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hard Light<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1250030382\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Most scholars, academic institutions, libraries are not interested in context. In that sense, the Science Fiction Library at Telluride is transgressive.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ydGg3t-l4pU\" frameborder=\"0\" gesture=\"media\" allow=\"encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_235_-_Liz_Hand_and_John_Clute.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Enjoy the conversation!<\/a>\u00a0Then check out\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-archive\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the archives<\/a>\u00a0for more great episodes!<\/p>\n<p>Lots of ways to follow <em>The Virtual Memories Show<\/em>! <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-virtual-memories-show\/id531173075\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Twitter<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/vmspod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Instagram<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.soundcloud.com\/vmspod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Soundcloud<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/VirtualMemoriesShow\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Facebook<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemoriespodcast.tumblr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tumblr<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemories.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">RSS<\/a>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>About our Guests<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/elizabethhand.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Elizabeth Hand<\/a> flunked out of college a couple of years after seeing Patti Smith perform and became involved in the nascent punk scenes in DC and New York. From 1979 to 1986 she worked at the Smithsonian&#8217;s National Air and Space Museum. She was eventually readmitted to university to study cultural anthropology and received her BA. She is the author of many novels, including <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00CLVBAMI\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00CLVBAMI&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=d8d5a8371092154d49a960413d9d0009\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Winterlong Trilogy<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00CLVBAMI\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0061052140\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0061052140&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=5a70ca89a9e4268ff4577795f5979b31\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Waking the Moon<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0061052140\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B008AX1GGG\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B008AX1GGG&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=2ed75de7fec5443cf84299121380b300\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Glimmering<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B008AX1GGG\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0061051705\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0061051705&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=de7947463bcf40dcf4538693ce81c503\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mortal Love<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0061051705\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0670012122\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0670012122&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=233793bf95df151c00d9dc9bf0a00b7b\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Illyria<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0670012122\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0670011355\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0670011355&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=1b173a1396c9574d39d4b7307b37a075\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Radiant Days<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0670011355\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, and the Cass Neary novels, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0156031345\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0156031345&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=65e4a17241b60154f509d888e510ec4d\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Generation Loss<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0156031345\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1250013232\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1250013232&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=9302ffe31a923f5cfa81196db28faff7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Available Dark<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1250013232\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1250030382\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1250030382&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=77dfd5d7966513e60201f22c4149ad81\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hard Light<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1250030382\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, as well as three collections of stories, including <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00KBEBY50\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00KBEBY50&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=e4c055e216ef8f1cbd6db88ab95ee20d\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Saffron and Brimstone<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00KBEBY50\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>. Her fiction has received the Nebula, World Fantasy, Mythopoeic, Tiptree, and International Horror Guild Awards, and her novels have been chosen as notable books by both <em>The New York Times<\/em> and <em>The Washington Post<\/em>. She has also been awarded a Maine Arts Commission Fellowship. A regular contributor to <em>The Washington Post Book World<\/em> and <em>the Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction<\/em>, she lives with her family on the coast of Maine.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/johnclute.co.uk\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Clute<\/a> is a multiple Hugo Award and World Fantasy Award winner and Visiting Fellow at Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge, England. He is perhaps best known for his editorship, with David Langford, and others, of the Encyclopedia of Science Fiction (sf-encyclopedia.com). As an illustrious and prolific reviewer and essayist, he has profoundly influenced science fiction writing in his time.<\/p>\n<p><em>Credits: This episode\u2019s music is <\/em>Nothing&#8217;s Gonna Bring Me Down<em>\u00a0by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/davidanddavidmusic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">David Baerwald<\/a>, used with permission from\u00a0the artist. The conversation was recorded at the Marriott in Quincy, MA during Readercon on a pair of\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B002SQJLA4\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B002SQJLA4&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=URDAV7Z2QAHX4UAB\">Blue enCORE 200 Microphones<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B002SQJLA4\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> feeding into a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00KCXMBES\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00KCXMBES&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=4WKYIFHCCL6N44BR\">Zoom H5<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00KCXMBES\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> digital recorder. I recorded the intro and outro on a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B000SOYOTQ\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B000SOYOTQ&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=04f89e1b44161aff17be7ee9479f6d64\">Heil PR-40 Dynamic Studio Recording Microphone<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B000SOYOTQ\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> feeding into a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B004MQSV04\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B004MQSV04&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=1a177654d0c55797588bc43949ef369e\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Cloudlifter CL-1<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B004MQSV04\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> and a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B003VZG550\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B003VZG550&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=M2DKYCZ52E6ZFUA3\">Mackie Onyx Blackjack 2&#215;2 USB Recording Interface<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B003VZG550\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>. All processing and editing done in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00DRPVEUK\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00DRPVEUK&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=902a694e24a241f7cee18f483a6ce2dd\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adobe Audition CC<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00DRPVEUK\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>. Photo of Liz Hand and John Clute in the Soundcloud by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Scott Edelman<\/a>; not sure who the other\/younger one is by. Either way, they&#8217;re not on my <a href=\"http:\/\/instagram.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">instagram<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Virtual Memories Show 235: Liz Hand and John Clute &#8220;I think of a collector as a gardener, rather than someone who just buys books. Like gardeners, they do a lot of murdering. They cull books.&#8221; It&#8217;s another Readercon episode! 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