{"id":12607,"date":"2019-11-03T17:43:00","date_gmt":"2019-11-03T21:43:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=12607"},"modified":"2019-11-03T17:43:00","modified_gmt":"2019-11-03T21:43:00","slug":"episode-348-steven-heller","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-348-steven-heller","title":{"rendered":"Episode 348 – Steven Heller"},"content":{"rendered":"

Virtual Memories Show 348:
\nSteven Heller<\/a><\/p>\n

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“It’s a learning moment of how powerful symbols are and how powerful graphic design is.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\"\"<\/a>The Nazi swastika is a symbol of evil, but what about the pre<\/em>-Nazi version of that symbol? With the publication of The Swastika and Symbols of Hate: Extremist Iconography Today<\/a>\"\" (Allworth Press), Steven Heller<\/a> returns to a topic he’s spent decades on: the power of graphic design and its abuses by Nazis and other totalitarian movements. He rejoins the show to talk about whether the swastika is redeemable to its original purpose as a Sanskrit Buddhist symbol, why it’s uniquely toxic in comparison to other national and religious symbols like the USSR’s hammer & sickle, and Steven’s biggest surprise when he began researching the swastika’s history. We get into how he teaches students about the ramifications of swastika-derived designs, how most Nazi, nationalist and white supremacist groups are variants of the Cross, his sadness about having to revise and reissue this book for our current era (but happiness about giving it a tighter, more effective layout), the ramifications of free speech vs. hate speech, and whether it’s okay to punch out a Nazi. We also tackle my experiences visiting Germany, the coding of modern-day white supremacists, the impact of graphic design and illustration on Resistance, Antifa’s unfortunate similarities to the SDS, and the question of whether he’s obsessed with hate imagery. (We also get into non-swastika stuff, like how he’s staying occupied while his Daily Heller blog<\/a> is on hiatus, the role he played in giving a number of illustrators and cartoonists their first gigs, the memoir he’s working on, and why he’s not looking to be the subject of a documentary.) Give it a listen!<\/a> And go buy The Swastika and Symbols of Hate: Extremist Iconography Today<\/a>\"\"!<\/p>\n

(And check out my 2018 conversation with Steven<\/a>!)<\/em><\/p>\n

“There are all these ambiguities, but at a certain point you have to put your foot down and say, ‘This is how I see it.'”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n