{"id":13701,"date":"2020-07-28T09:05:10","date_gmt":"2020-07-28T13:05:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=13701"},"modified":"2020-07-30T16:56:54","modified_gmt":"2020-07-30T20:56:54","slug":"episode-386-judy-gold","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-386-judy-gold","title":{"rendered":"Episode 386 &#8211; Judy Gold"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Virtual Memories Show 386:<br \/>\nJudy Gold<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6961\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-13701-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3\">https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=13701-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t tell me what I&#8217;m allowed to talk about. There&#8217;s no growth without discourse. When you start shutting people up, that&#8217;s the end of evolution.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.harpercollins.com\/products\/yes-i-can-say-that-judy-gold\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"13703\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-386-judy-gold\/attachment\/9780062953759\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780062953759.jpg?fit=432%2C648\" data-orig-size=\"432,648\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"9780062953759\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780062953759.jpg?fit=413%2C620\" class=\"alignright wp-image-13703\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780062953759.jpg?resize=275%2C413\" alt=\"\" width=\"275\" height=\"413\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780062953759.jpg?resize=293%2C440 293w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780062953759.jpg?resize=413%2C620 413w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780062953759.jpg?w=432 432w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 275px) 100vw, 275px\" \/><\/a>Comedian, actress and Emmy-winning TV writer <a href=\"http:\/\/judygold.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Judy Gold<\/a> joins the show to celebrate her brand new book, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9780062953759\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Yes, I CAN Say That: When They Come for the Comedians, We Are All in Trouble<\/a> (Dey St.). We get into the role of comedy in society, the perils of censorship (from the left and the right), and what living through the AIDS crisis taught her about the need to laugh. We get into her history in standup, how audiences have become more offendable, how she got into her IDGAF mode in her 40s, who can take a joke and who can&#8217;t (and who can <em>tell<\/em> a joke and who can&#8217;t), the crucible of hanging out with comedians after shows, how she&#8217;s dealing with pandemic life and how COVID-19 forced the longest break in her career, what she&#8217;s learned from hosting <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/kill-me-now-with-judy-gold\/id992129589?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Kill Me Now<\/a> for 5+ years and who some of her Mount Rushmore guests have been, and plenty more. <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Give it a listen!<\/a> And go read <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harpercollins.com\/products\/yes-i-can-say-that-judy-gold\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Yes, I CAN Say That<\/a>!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Every safe space has a door that leads to the real world.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/0eqpCgoqX3Y\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Nothing is sacred in a comedy club. And this is the only art form where our work in progress needs an audience.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed-podcast\/episode\/4G5BvmfVYOuhFDoX8tB4oZ\" width=\"100%\" height=\"232\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I found that, once you don&#8217;t give a shit, you&#8217;re much funnier.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe src=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/embed\/player\/t156062131\/\" style=\"width:100%; height:100px;\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;A woman in her late 40s in standup is invisible. I&#8217;ve been told I can&#8217;t get a Netflix special because I don&#8217;t &#8216;fit the algorithm&#8217;.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_386_-_Judy_Gold.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Enjoy the conversation!<\/a>&nbsp;Then check out&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-archive\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the archives<\/a>&nbsp;for more great episodes!<\/p>\n<p>Lots of ways to follow <em>The Virtual Memories Show<\/em>! <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-virtual-memories-show\/id531173075\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Twitter<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/vmspod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Instagram<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCXoLbP-9GbhHJZpCQP5TR5A\/videos?view_as=subscriber\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">YouTube<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">TuneIn<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemoriespodcast.tumblr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tumblr<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemories.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">RSS<\/a>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>About our Guest<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/judygold.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Judy Gold<\/a> is an American standup comedian, actress, television writer, and producer. She won two Daytime Emmy Awards for her work as a writer and producer on The Rosie O\u2019Donnell Show, and has starred in comedy specials on HBO, Comedy Central, and Logo. She has also written and starred in two critically acclaimed, Off-Broadway hit shows: <em>The Judy Show?My Life as a Sitcom<\/em> and <em>25 Questions for a Jewish Mother<\/em>. She is currently the host of the hit podcast <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/kill-me-now-with-judy-gold\/id992129589?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Kill Me Now<\/a>. Her new book is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harpercollins.com\/products\/yes-i-can-say-that-judy-gold\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Yes, I CAN Say That: When They Come for the Comedians, We Are All in Trouble<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a longer version of her bio <a href=\"http:\/\/judygold.com\/bio\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">at her website<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><em>Credits: This episode\u2019s music is <\/em>Fella<em>&nbsp;by <a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/may4th\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Hal Mayforth<\/a>, used with permission from&nbsp;the artist. The conversation was recorded remotely via <a href=\"https:\/\/zencastr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Zencastr<\/a>. I used a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B000SOYOTQ\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B000SOYOTQ&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=04f89e1b44161aff17be7ee9479f6d64\">Heil PR-40 Dynamic Studio Recording Microphone<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B000SOYOTQ\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"> feeding into a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B004MQSV04\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B004MQSV04&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=1a177654d0c55797588bc43949ef369e\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Cloudlifter CL-1<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B004MQSV04\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"> and a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B003VZG550\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B003VZG550&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=M2DKYCZ52E6ZFUA3\">Mackie Onyx Blackjack 2&#215;2 USB Recording Interface<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B003VZG550\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\">. All processing and editing done in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00DRPVEUK\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00DRPVEUK&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=902a694e24a241f7cee18f483a6ce2dd\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Adobe Audition CC<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00DRPVEUK\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\">. Photo of Judy by Justine Ungaro. It&#8217;s on my <a href=\"https:\/\/instagram.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">instagram<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Virtual Memories Show 386: Judy Gold &#8220;Don&#8217;t tell me what I&#8217;m allowed to talk about. There&#8217;s no growth without discourse. When you start shutting people up, that&#8217;s the end of evolution.&#8221; Comedian, actress and Emmy-winning TV writer Judy Gold joins the show to celebrate her brand new book, Yes, I CAN Say That: When They &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-386-judy-gold\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Episode 386 &#8211; Judy Gold&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":13702,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"audio","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[27,5981,4,1083,1183,17,18,20],"tags":[6100,5680,6098,6095,6101,4205,6104,2699,2076,6094,918,3146,6099,6103,6102,6096,6097,1295],"class_list":["post-13701","post","type-post","status-publish","format-audio","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-big-business","category-covid-check-in","category-literature","category-movies","category-podcasts","category-politics-explicit","category-politics-implicit","category-religion","tag-alan-cumming","tag-bill-cosby","tag-bill-persky","tag-christine-quinn","tag-dick-cavett","tag-george-carlin","tag-isaac-mizrahi","tag-jay-leno","tag-joan-rivers","tag-judy-gold","tag-mel-brooks","tag-richard-pryor","tag-roberta-kaplan","tag-sam-morril","tag-sandra-bernhart","tag-three-stooges","tag-wanda-sykes","tag-woody-allen","post_format-post-format-audio"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/judygoldcomp.jpg?fit=1597%2C800","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4C7K-3yZ","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":15052,"url":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-472-scott-meslow","url_meta":{"origin":13701,"position":0},"title":"Episode 472 &#8211; Scott Meslow","author":"Gil","date":"February 8, 2022","format":"audio","excerpt":"Virtual Memories Show 472: Scott Meslow Let's pre-celebrate Valentine's Day with a conversation with Scott Meslow, author of the brand-new book, From Hollywood With Love: The Rise and Fall (and Rise Again) of the Romantic Comedy (Dey Street Books)! 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