{"id":14890,"date":"2021-12-12T18:05:06","date_gmt":"2021-12-12T23:05:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=14890"},"modified":"2021-12-12T18:05:10","modified_gmt":"2021-12-12T23:05:10","slug":"episode-464-nora-krug","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-464-nora-krug","title":{"rendered":"Episode 464 &#8211; Nora Krug"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Virtual Memories Show 464:<br \/>\nNora Krug<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_614\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-14890-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3\">https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=14890-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve been using illustration as a form of research, trying to figure out what kind of traces war and history leave on us, and how our thinking and feeling is impacted over the course of decades and centuries, based on the political experience we have as people and as countries.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.penguinrandomhouse.com\/books\/653012\/on-tyranny-graphic-edition-by-timothy-snyder-illustrated-by-nora-krug\/\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"14892\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-464-nora-krug\/ontyrannycover\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?fit=1762%2C2500\" data-orig-size=\"1762,2500\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"ontyrannycover\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?fit=437%2C620\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-14892\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?resize=310%2C440\" alt=\"\" width=\"310\" height=\"440\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?resize=310%2C440 310w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?resize=437%2C620 437w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?resize=768%2C1090 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?resize=1083%2C1536 1083w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?resize=1443%2C2048 1443w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?w=1762 1762w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/ontyrannycover.jpg?w=1575 1575w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 310px) 100vw, 310px\" \/><\/a>Artist, illustrator &amp; author <a href=\"https:\/\/nora-krug.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Nora Krug<\/a> rejoins the show to talk about her work on the new Graphic Edition of Timothy Snyder&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781984860392\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ON TYRANNY: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century<\/a> (Ten Speed Press). We get into how the project originated and how illustrating <em>On Tyranny<\/em> compelled her to live up to its lessons, her approach to illustrating the book and how a visual experience can create a new reading of it, her use of personal photographs from the Third Reich, and how this project serves as a companion to her award-winning graphic memoir <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781476796635\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">BELONGING<\/a>. We talk about her concerns about misread propaganda imagery, the assumptions she had to make about readers&#8217; visual literacy and what illustrations and design could constitute &#8220;hijacking&#8221; Snyder&#8217;s text, the ways photographs can make people accountable, what it means when governments censor photos, and the contrasting perspectives she and Snyder brought to the book: an American facing Europe and a European facing America. We also discuss how the text was updated post-January 6 and which of its lessons are &#8220;nice&#8221; vs. &#8220;critical&#8221;, the optimism that lies in the midst of the book&#8217;s dire message, what she &amp; Snyder have learned from each other during their virtual book tour, Nora&#8217;s realization that she has an artistic mission for the rest of her life, and more! <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Give it a listen!<\/a> And go read <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781984860392\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">On Tyranny<\/a> &amp; <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781476796635\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Belonging<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"14893\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-464-nora-krug\/screen-shot-2021-05-05-at-6-13-05-pm\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?fit=1760%2C1260\" data-orig-size=\"1760,1260\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?fit=525%2C376\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-14893\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?resize=525%2C376\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"376\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?resize=620%2C444 620w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?resize=440%2C315 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?resize=768%2C550 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?resize=1536%2C1100 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?w=1760 1760w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screen-Shot-2021-05-05-at-6.13.05-PM.png?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;On Tyranny is a call to action; now that I&#8217;ve illustrated the book, I&#8217;d better live up to its lessons.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/OQs2kjjNegI\" title=\"YouTube video player\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Historical photographs can draw you in immediately and can also give you a sense of how history was perceived in a particular moment.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe allow=\"autoplay *; encrypted-media *; fullscreen *\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"175\" style=\"width:100%;max-width:660px;overflow:hidden;background:transparent;\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/episode-464-nora-krug\/id531173075?i=1000544744941\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;In a funny way, Timothy &amp; I are both providing an opposite experience to where we came from: he as an American writes about Europe, and I as a German illustrate something about America.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/02QEIt8noXMEOCBVazZTvy?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"232\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;The sense of agency is the only way we can feel a sense of optimism. Once you feel responsible, and feel you can contribute to change, it makes you feel better, more hopeful.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe src=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/embed\/player\/t168385719\/\" style=\"width:100%; height:100px;\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;When we look, we become witnesses.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_464_-_Nora_Krug.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Enjoy the conversation!<\/a>&nbsp;Then check out&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-archive\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the archives<\/a>&nbsp;for more great episodes!<\/p>\n<p>Lots of ways to follow <em>The Virtual Memories Show<\/em>! <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-virtual-memories-show\/id531173075\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Twitter<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/vmspod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Instagram<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCXoLbP-9GbhHJZpCQP5TR5A\/videos?view_as=subscriber\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YouTube<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">TuneIn<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemoriespodcast.tumblr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tumblr<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemories.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">RSS<\/a>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>About our Guest<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"14894\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-464-nora-krug\/nora-krug-by-nina-subin-1\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg?fit=1919%2C2560\" data-orig-size=\"1919,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;4.8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Hasselblad X1D&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1518984062&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;Hasselblad X1D&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;90&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;800&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.016666666666667&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg?fit=465%2C620\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-14894\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1.jpg?resize=465%2C620\" alt=\"\" width=\"465\" height=\"620\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg?resize=465%2C620 465w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg?resize=330%2C440 330w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1151%2C1536 1151w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1535%2C2048 1535w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg?w=1919 1919w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Nora-Krug-by-Nina-Subin-1-scaled.jpg?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 465px) 100vw, 465px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/nora-krug.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Nora Krug<\/a> is the author of <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781476796635\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Belonging: A German Reckons with History and Home<\/a>, which was winner of the 2019 National Book Critics Circle Award for Autobiography and named one of the Times&#8217; Critics Top Books of 2018 by <em>The New York Times<\/em>. He work has garnered medals from the Society of Illustrators and the Art Directors Club of New York, and was chosen for Houghton Mifflin&#8217;s <em>Best American<\/em> series and the Sundance Film Festival. She received the Fulbright and Guggenheim fellowships, and was named Illustrator of the Year 2019 by the Victoria and Albert Museum. She is an associate professor of illustration at Parsons School of Design in New York City. Her new book is the Graphic Edition of <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781984860392\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Follow Nora on <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NoraKrug\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Twitter<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/norakrug\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Instagram<\/a>, and listen to <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-289-nora-krug\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Nora&#8217;s 2018 episode<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"14895\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-464-nora-krug\/img_0532-2\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?fit=1280%2C1280\" data-orig-size=\"1280,1280\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;1.8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;iPhone 8&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1537799489&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;3.99&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;50&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.066666666666667&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"IMG_0532\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?fit=525%2C525\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-14895\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?resize=525%2C525\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"525\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?resize=620%2C620 620w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?resize=440%2C440 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?resize=170%2C170 170w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?resize=768%2C768 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?resize=100%2C100 100w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?w=1280 1280w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532-1.jpg?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Credits: This episode\u2019s music is <\/em>Fella<em>&nbsp;by <a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/may4th\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hal Mayforth<\/a>, used with permission from&nbsp;the artist. The conversation was recorded remotely via <a href=\"https:\/\/zencastr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Zencastr<\/a>. I used a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B000SOYOTQ\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B000SOYOTQ&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=04f89e1b44161aff17be7ee9479f6d64\">Heil PR-40 Dynamic Studio Recording Microphone<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B000SOYOTQ\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"> feeding into a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B004MQSV04\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B004MQSV04&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=1a177654d0c55797588bc43949ef369e\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Cloudlifter CL-1<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B004MQSV04\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"> and a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B003VZG550\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B003VZG550&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=M2DKYCZ52E6ZFUA3\">Mackie Onyx Blackjack 2&#215;2 USB Recording Interface<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B003VZG550\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\">. All processing and editing done in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00DRPVEUK\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00DRPVEUK&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=902a694e24a241f7cee18f483a6ce2dd\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adobe Audition CC<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00DRPVEUK\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\">. Nice photo of Nora by Nina Subin; the bookshelf one is by me, from 2018. They&#8217;re &nbsp;on my <a href=\"https:\/\/instagram.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">instagram<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Virtual Memories Show 464: Nora Krug &#8220;I&#8217;ve been using illustration as a form of research, trying to figure out what kind of traces war and history leave on us, and how our thinking and feeling is impacted over the course of decades and centuries, based on the political experience we have as people and as &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-464-nora-krug\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Episode 464 &#8211; Nora Krug&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":14891,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"audio","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[22,26,46,4,1183,17,18,20],"tags":[5380,3786],"class_list":["post-14890","post","type-post","status-publish","format-audio","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-art","category-comics","category-design","category-literature","category-podcasts","category-politics-explicit","category-politics-implicit","category-religion","tag-nora-krug","tag-timothy-snyder","post_format-post-format-audio"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/norakrug2021comp.jpg?fit=2000%2C800","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4C7K-3Sa","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":11787,"url":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-289-nora-krug","url_meta":{"origin":14890,"position":0},"title":"Episode 289 &#8211; Nora Krug","author":"Gil","date":"September 30, 2018","format":"audio","excerpt":"Virtual Memories Show 289: Nora Krug \"The decision to make this book was the excuse to finally ask questions of my family.\" With the brand-new visual memoir Belonging: A German Reckons with History and Home (Scribner), writer\/illustrator Nora Krug explores her family's history in World War II and her own\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Art&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Art","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/category\/art"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532.jpg?fit=1200%2C1200&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532.jpg?fit=1200%2C1200&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532.jpg?fit=1200%2C1200&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532.jpg?fit=1200%2C1200&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_0532.jpg?fit=1200%2C1200&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":11948,"url":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-299-the-guest-list-and-bill-kartalopoulos","url_meta":{"origin":14890,"position":1},"title":"Episode 299 &#8211; The Guest List and Bill Kartalopoulos","author":"Gil","date":"December 12, 2018","format":"audio","excerpt":"Virtual Memories Show: The Guest List 2018 and Bill Kartalopoulos Comics scholar (and curator, and editor, and educator) Bill Kartalopoulos joins the show to talk about his role as the series editor of Best American Comics (HMH)! 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