{"id":15710,"date":"2022-11-29T12:22:26","date_gmt":"2022-11-29T17:22:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=15710"},"modified":"2022-11-29T12:22:30","modified_gmt":"2022-11-29T17:22:30","slug":"episode-516-drew-friedman","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-516-drew-friedman","title":{"rendered":"Episode 516 &#8211; Drew Friedman"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Virtual Memories Show 516:<br \/>\nDrew Friedman<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7056\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-15710-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3\">https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=15710-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;The underground cartoonists are not serious people, which is appealing. You want to be around people who are funny.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781683966555\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15712\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-516-drew-friedman\/drew-maverix\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-maverix.jpg?fit=974%2C1197\" data-orig-size=\"974,1197\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"drew-maverix\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-maverix.jpg?fit=504%2C620\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-15712\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-maverix.jpg?resize=358%2C440\" alt=\"\" width=\"358\" height=\"440\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-maverix.jpg?resize=358%2C440 358w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-maverix.jpg?resize=504%2C620 504w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-maverix.jpg?resize=768%2C944 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-maverix.jpg?w=974 974w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 358px) 100vw, 358px\" \/><\/a>Artist <a href=\"http:\/\/www.drewfriedman.net\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Drew Friedman<\/a> rejoins the show to celebrate his wonderful new book, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781683966555\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Maverix and Lunatix: Icons of Underground Comix<\/a> (Fantagraphics). We talk about his mind-blowing portraits of the legends of the Underground era, how he pared his list of subjects to 100 (from ~3000), why he decided to paint everyone in their prime years rather than present-day old (and the good stuff his subjects have said about their portraits), the research that went into writing biographical sketches of his subjects (and the challenges in getting photo reference for some of them), this book&#8217;s departure from his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fantagraphics.com\/collections\/drew-friedman\/products\/heroes-of-the-comics-portraits-of-the-pioneering-legends-of-comic-books\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Heroes of the Comics<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fantagraphics.com\/collections\/drew-friedman\/products\/old-jewish-comedians\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Old Jewish Comedians<\/a> paintings, and why he&#8217;s <em>not<\/em> planning to do another book about Alt-comics artists of the &#8217;80s &amp; &#8217;90s. We get into how Robert Crumb convinced him to draw people he doesn&#8217;t like, the griping Marc Maron made about writing the foreword, how he came around on certain artists while working on the book, and his complaints about having to paint so many men with &#8217;70s era long hair and shaggy beards (and why he wants his next book to be all bald men). We also discuss how painting changed him as an artist, how he wound up recreating his early stippling effect with the brush, his realization that he was over a lot of his youthful grudges and resentments, his bucket list of people he hasn&#8217;t gotten around to drawing, why Harvey Kurtzman is his most controversial subject in the book, and a LOT more. <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Give it a listen!<\/a> And go read <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9781683966555\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Maverix and Lunatix: Icons of Underground Comix<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tcj.com\/drew-friedmans-maverix-and-lunatix-icons-of-underground-comix-a-masterpiece-a-treasure-an-encyclopedia\/\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15714\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-516-drew-friedman\/drew-art\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-art.png?fit=1136%2C690\" data-orig-size=\"1136,690\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"drew-art\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-art.png?fit=525%2C319\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-15714\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-art.png?resize=525%2C319\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"319\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-art.png?resize=620%2C377 620w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-art.png?resize=440%2C267 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-art.png?resize=768%2C466 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-art.png?w=1136 1136w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-art.png?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tcj.com\/drew-friedmans-maverix-and-lunatix-icons-of-underground-comix-a-masterpiece-a-treasure-an-encyclopedia\/\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15715\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-516-drew-friedman\/drew-skip\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-skip.png?fit=1185%2C734\" data-orig-size=\"1185,734\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"drew-skip\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-skip.png?fit=525%2C325\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-15715\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-skip.png?resize=525%2C325\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"325\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-skip.png?resize=620%2C384 620w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-skip.png?resize=440%2C273 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-skip.png?resize=768%2C476 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-skip.png?w=1185 1185w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/drew-skip.png?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>(And go listen to my <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-the-guy-who-drew-the-liver-spots\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2013<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-jewish-gothic-and-the-restless-artist\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2014<\/a> conversations with Drew!) (While you&#8217;re at it, you should also listen to my episodes with his brothers, <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-crackers-and-bagels\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Josh Alan<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-the-whimsical-barracuda\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kipp<\/a>, and my conversation with their dad, the late, great\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/bruce-jay-friedman-bonus-episode\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bruce Jay Friedman<\/a>)<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t like drawing foreheads, because they&#8217;re mostly the same. Except for old people. Old people are interesting because you see the history of their lives etched into their faces.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/oZ4mevZ7150\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I wanted to be a Mad magazine contributor. I wanted to work for Topps. I accomplished both of those goals. But the underground comics just threw me for a loop.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe style=\"width: 100%; max-width: 660px; overflow: hidden; background: transparent;\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/episode-516-drew-friedman\/id531173075?i=1000587977393\" height=\"175\" frameborder=\"0\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Crumb reminds me of Chaplin. When talkies came in, and everybody switched over to making talking pictures, Chaplin continued to make silent films. Crumb was the same: underground comix were over, but he continued to put them out.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border-radius: 12px;\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/0KdyYsu55KQ5auHZN0m2Ym?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"352\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Art Spiegelman thinks I&#8217;ve mellowed. I just think I don&#8217;t have an agenda anymore. If I have grudges against anybody, I&#8217;ve forgotten them.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tcj.com\/drew-friedmans-maverix-and-lunatix-icons-of-underground-comix-a-masterpiece-a-treasure-an-encyclopedia\/\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15716\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-516-drew-friedman\/crumb_ug-book-1-by-pete-poplaski\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/CRUMB_UG-book-1-by-Pete-Poplaski.jpg?fit=1152%2C864\" data-orig-size=\"1152,864\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;3.2&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon PowerShot ELPH 180&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1583272681&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;5&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;800&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.1&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"CRUMB_UG book 1 by Pete Poplaski\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/CRUMB_UG-book-1-by-Pete-Poplaski.jpg?fit=525%2C394\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-15716\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/CRUMB_UG-book-1-by-Pete-Poplaski.jpg?resize=525%2C394\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"394\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/CRUMB_UG-book-1-by-Pete-Poplaski.jpg?resize=620%2C465 620w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/CRUMB_UG-book-1-by-Pete-Poplaski.jpg?resize=440%2C330 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/CRUMB_UG-book-1-by-Pete-Poplaski.jpg?resize=768%2C576 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/CRUMB_UG-book-1-by-Pete-Poplaski.jpg?w=1152 1152w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/CRUMB_UG-book-1-by-Pete-Poplaski.jpg?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_516_-_Drew_Friedman.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Enjoy the conversation!<\/a>\u00a0Then check out\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-archive\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the archives<\/a>\u00a0for more great episodes!<\/p>\n<p>Lots of ways to follow <em>The Virtual Memories Show<\/em>! <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-virtual-memories-show\/id531173075\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Twitter<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/vmspod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Instagram<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCXoLbP-9GbhHJZpCQP5TR5A\/videos?view_as=subscriber\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YouTube<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">TuneIn<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemoriespodcast.tumblr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tumblr<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemories.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">RSS<\/a>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>About our Guest<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Drew Friedman&#8217;s comics and illustrations have appeared in <em>Raw, Weirdo, Heavy Metal, National Lampoon, Spy, Mad, The New Yorker, The New York Observer, Snarf, Honk!, Blab!, Bad News, Mineshaft, Air Mail<\/em>, and many other publications that no longer exist. In his <em>New York Times<\/em> review of Drew&#8217;s Old Jewish Comedians, Steven Heller wrote, &#8220;A festival of drawing virtuosity and fabulous craggy faces. Drew Friedman might very well be the Vermeer of the Borscht Belt.&#8221; The Society of Illustrators hosted a main gallery showing of Friedman&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fantagraphics.com\/collections\/drew-friedman\/products\/old-jewish-comedians\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Old Jewish Comedians<\/a> portraits in 2014. The Billy Ireland Cartoon Library &amp; Museum at Ohio State University held a major exhibition of his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fantagraphics.com\/products\/all-the-presidents\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">All The Presidents<\/a> portraits in the fall of 2019.<\/p>\n<p>Drew and his wife <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-234-kathy-bidus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kathy Bidus<\/a> live in semi-seclusion with their retired AKC grand champion beagle, Dela.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15713\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-516-drew-friedman\/img_8017\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?fit=2560%2C2560\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2560\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;1.8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;iPhone XR&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1668947800&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;4.25&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;250&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.016666666666667&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"IMG_8017\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?fit=525%2C525\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-15713\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017.jpeg?resize=525%2C525\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"525\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?resize=620%2C620 620w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?resize=440%2C440 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?resize=170%2C170 170w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?resize=768%2C768 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?resize=1536%2C1536 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?resize=2048%2C2048 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?resize=100%2C100 100w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/IMG_8017-scaled.jpeg?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Credits: This episode\u2019s music is <\/em>Fella<i>\u00a0by <\/i><a style=\"font-style: italic;\" href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/may4th\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hal Mayforth<\/a><i>, used with permission from\u00a0the artist. The conversation was recorded at Drew&#8217;s home on a pair of\u00a0<\/i><a style=\"font-style: italic;\" href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3Rvj3R6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Blue enCORE 200<\/a><i> microphones feeding into a <\/i><a style=\"font-style: italic;\" href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3Q9Br0z\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Zoom PodTrak P4<\/a><i> digital recorder &amp; interface. I recorded the intro and outro on a <\/i><a style=\"font-style: italic;\" href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3cGZ1Em\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Heil PR-40 Dynamic Studio Recording Microphone<\/a><i> feeding into a <\/i><a style=\"font-style: italic;\" href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3Q9Br0z\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Zoom PodTrak P4<\/a><i>. All processing and editing done in <\/i><a style=\"font-style: italic;\" href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3RwlQsW\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adobe Audition CC<\/a><i>. Photo of Drew from a screen cap of a documentary on Jared Kushner. 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