{"id":17179,"date":"2024-11-26T16:18:33","date_gmt":"2024-11-26T21:18:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=17179"},"modified":"2024-11-26T16:18:33","modified_gmt":"2024-11-26T21:18:33","slug":"episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk","title":{"rendered":"Episode 614 &#8211; Caitlin McGurk"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Virtual Memories Show 614:<br \/>\nCaitlin McGurk<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_249\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-17179-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_614_-_Caitlin_McGurk.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_614_-_Caitlin_McGurk.mp3\">https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_614_-_Caitlin_McGurk.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_614_-_Caitlin_McGurk.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=17179-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_614_-_Caitlin_McGurk.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_614_-_Caitlin_McGurk.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I thought of myself as someone who really knew a lot about cartooning and had heard of everybody, but the fact that I&#8217;d never heard of Barbara Shermund at all was embarrassing and panic-inducing, but also inspiring.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9798875000041\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17181\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk\/tell-me-a-story_cover_rgb_flat_web\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?fit=1388%2C1838\" data-orig-size=\"1388,1838\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Tell Me A Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?fit=468%2C620\" class=\"alignright wp-image-17181\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?resize=290%2C384\" alt=\"\" width=\"290\" height=\"384\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?resize=332%2C440 332w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?resize=468%2C620 468w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?resize=768%2C1017 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?resize=1160%2C1536 1160w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?w=1388 1388w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tell-Me-A-Story_COVER_RGB_FLAT_web.jpg?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 290px) 100vw, 290px\" \/><\/a>Comics librarian and curator <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/granny_mcgurk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Caitlin McGurk<\/a> returns to the show to celebrate her amazing new book, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9798875000041\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">TELL ME A STORY WHERE THE BAD GIRL WINS: The Life and Art of Barbara Shermund<\/a> (Fantagraphics). We talk about Caitlin&#8217;s shock at her 2012 discovery of Barbara Shermund&#8217;s incredible gag-comics and illustrations in the archive of the <a href=\"https:\/\/cartoons.osu.edu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Billy Ireland Cartoon Library &amp; Museum<\/a>, how her interest in Barbara evolved from blog posts to a museum exhibit to a book, the challenge of writing about someone who did no interviews or press and had no close relatives, and how easily women get erased from history. We get into the gestalt of Barbara&#8217;s fantastic linework and washes and her wry sense of humor, why Caitlin wound up writing an academic press version of the book before rewriting it for a trade publisher, the challenges &amp; rewards of designing a book to showcase so much art, how Barbara helped create the look of <em>The New Yorker<\/em> in its early years, why Caitlin speculated (but not too much) about Barbara&#8217;s sexuality. We also discuss the malleability of history, how the Billy Ireland has changed in the <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-hello-columbus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">10 years since Caitlin &amp; I last recorded<\/a>, the pep talk she wished she could have gotten from our late friend <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/tom-spurgeon-birthday-memorial-episode\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tom Spurgeon<\/a>, time Al Capp (!!) advocated for allowing women into the National Cartoonists Society, the incredible story of tracking down Barbara&#8217;s remains and giving her a proper funeral 35 years after her death, and a lot more. <a href=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Give it a listen!<\/a> And go read <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9798875000041\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">TELL ME A STORY WHERE THE BAD GIRL WINS<\/a>!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s rewrite history, change the canon, and try to get people like Barbara to be part of the conversation, where they should have been all along.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/DcYdwMoLgsk?si=wUGHJ1njEHPVzhKB\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I would not advise anyone to write a book about an artist with whom there are no interviews, almost no photographs, no surviving relatives or real documentation about them whatsoever.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe style=\"width: 100%; max-width: 660px; overflow: hidden; border-radius: 10px;\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk\/id531173075?i=1000678323081\" height=\"175\" frameborder=\"0\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Living in Ohio has added years back to my life that New York had scraped off of it.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border-radius: 12px;\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/47TewEVhLQFN1hoSaN0Tf0?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"352\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I read the first version of the book that I&#8217;d written for an academic press, for that specific audience, and realized that this was not at all what I actually wanted to write, this was not the way I wanted to showcase her work. I wanted a coffee table book that would highlight her artwork, not my writing.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Enjoy the conversation!<\/a>\u00a0Then check out\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-archive\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the archives<\/a>\u00a0for more great episodes!<\/p>\n<p>Lots of ways to follow <em>The Virtual Memories Show<\/em>! <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-virtual-memories-show\/id531173075\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/vmspod.bsky.social\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">BlueSky<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/vmspod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Instagram<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCXoLbP-9GbhHJZpCQP5TR5A\/videos?view_as=subscriber\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YouTube<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemoriespodcast.tumblr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tumblr<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemories.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">good ol&#8217; RSS<\/a>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>About our Guest<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Caitlin McGurk is the Curator of Comics and Cartoon Art at the Billy Ireland Cartoon Library &amp; Museum and Associate Professor at The Ohio State University. Her scholarship and exhibitions center around the work of women in comics, alternative and underground comics, and early American comic strips. She lives in an old house in Columbus, Ohio.<\/p>\n<p>Follow Caitlin on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/granny_mcgurk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Instagram<\/a> and the <a href=\"https:\/\/library.osu.edu\/site\/cartoons\/author\/mcgurk-17osu-edu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Billy Ireland blog<\/a> and go listen to <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-hello-columbus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">our 2014 conversation<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17182\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk\/caitlin-mcgurk-headshot-2024-2\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg?fit=2560%2C2381\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2381\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;2.8&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;Brooke LaValley&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;ILCE-1&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1710615488&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;Brooke LaValley\/Columbus Dispatch&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;74&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;400&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.0125&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Caitlin McGurk headshot 2024 (2)\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg?fit=525%2C489\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-17182\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2.jpg?resize=525%2C489\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"489\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg?resize=620%2C577 620w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg?resize=440%2C409 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C714 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1429 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1905 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/Caitlin-McGurk-headshot-2024-2-scaled.jpg?w=1050 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 100vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Credits: This episode\u2019s music is <\/em>Fella<em>\u00a0by <a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/may4th\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hal Mayforth<\/a>, used with permission from\u00a0the artist. The conversation was recorded remotely via <a href=\"https:\/\/zencastr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Zencastr<\/a>. I used a <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3cGZ1Em\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Heil PR-40 Dynamic Studio Recording Microphone<\/a> feeding into a <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3Q9Br0z\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Zoom PodTrak P4<\/a>. All processing and editing done in <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3RwlQsW\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adobe Audition CC<\/a>. Photo of Caitlin by Brooke LaValley. It&#8217;s on my <a href=\"https:\/\/instagram.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">instagram<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Virtual Memories Show 614: Caitlin McGurk &#8220;I thought of myself as someone who really knew a lot about cartooning and had heard of everybody, but the fact that I&#8217;d never heard of Barbara Shermund at all was embarrassing and panic-inducing, but also inspiring.&#8221; Comics librarian and curator Caitlin McGurk returns to the show to celebrate &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-614-caitlin-mcgurk\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Episode 614 &#8211; Caitlin McGurk&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":17180,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"audio","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[22,27,793,26,4,1183],"tags":[3111,7719,2556,2546,7721,7113,1485,4449,7114,3095,7717,7716,7718,4451,7720,174,2045],"class_list":["post-17179","post","type-post","status-publish","format-audio","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-art","category-big-business","category-classic-comics-criticism","category-comics","category-literature","category-podcasts","tag-al-capp","tag-amanda-janes-gormley","tag-barbara-shermund","tag-caitlin-mcgurk","tag-chuck-thorndyke","tag-connie-converse","tag-harvey-kurtzman","tag-helen-hokinson","tag-howard-fishman","tag-joan-crawford","tag-judith-yaross-lee","tag-kayla-e","tag-larry-ivie","tag-liza-donnelly","tag-sean-howe","tag-tom-spurgeon","tag-will-elder","post_format-post-format-audio"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/mcgurk2024comp.jpg?fit=2000%2C800","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4C7K-4t5","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":7844,"url":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-hello-columbus","url_meta":{"origin":17179,"position":0},"title":"Podcast: Hello, Columbus","author":"Gil","date":"April 21, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"Virtual Memories \u2013 season 4 episode 15 - Hello, Columbus \"I'm a person who works in comics and knows a lot about comics, and I'm teaching people who know nothing about comics to talk to other people who know nothing about comics, about comics.\" Caitiln McGurk, fresh off of curating\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Classic Comics Criticism&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Classic Comics Criticism","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/category\/literature\/classic-comics-criticism"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=voyantpublishing&l=as2&o=1&a=B002SQJLA4","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":17750,"url":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-656-kayla-e","url_meta":{"origin":17179,"position":1},"title":"Episode 656 &#8211; Kayla E","author":"Gil","date":"October 1, 2025","format":"audio","excerpt":"Virtual Memories Show 656: Kayla E \"This has transmuted the pain into something beautiful. 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