{"id":9065,"date":"2015-10-05T20:22:46","date_gmt":"2015-10-06T00:22:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=9065"},"modified":"2017-11-25T09:38:11","modified_gmt":"2017-11-25T13:38:11","slug":"episode-137-scott-mccloud","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-137-scott-mccloud","title":{"rendered":"Episode 137 &#8211; Scott McCloud"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Virtual Memories Show #137:<br \/>\nScott McCloud &#8211; Tumblings<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7110\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-9065-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\">http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=9065-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I want to be working, making comics, and knowing that the thing I&#8217;m doing right now is the thing I should be doing and I shouldn&#8217;t feel guilty about doing it. I&#8217;ve been able to keep that going much of the time for the last 20 years, and it&#8217;s kinda great.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Is <a href=\"http:\/\/scottmccloud.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Scott McCloud<\/a> comics&#8217; leading theorist or a deranged lunatic? Find out in this lengthy conversation we recorded during <a href=\"http:\/\/spxpo.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">SPX<\/a> 2015! Scott talks about applying (and forgetting) the lessons of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/006097625X\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=006097625X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=ETBPI454AYYWOWGA\">Understanding Comics<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=006097625X\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> in his new book, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1596435739\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1596435739&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=TBWULT5AGMCUDJZ7\">The Sculptor<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1596435739\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> (First Second), the massive implications of crowdfunding for cartoonists and other creators, the problems with &#8216;balance&#8217; in comics pages, his rebellion against Facebook, the Laurie Anderson model of comics, how he defines success, how to keep a happy marriage inside the comics world, and more! <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Give it a listen!<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve never seen the consumer dollar at full strength. In traditional print markets, somebody spends a dollar on my work, and I get 10 cents at the end of that chain, that massive army of middlemen. Now we&#8217;re seeing what kind of world happens when the consumer dollar stays closer to a dollar. That army of consumers really has an enormous power to put your boat afloat.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>We also talk about his next book (on visual communication and education), his strengths and weaknesses as a cartoonist, making a 500-page comic book that readers could tackle in one sitting, why <em>Reinventing Comics<\/em> was like &#8220;trying to eat 10 lbs. of potato salad&#8221;, how every success story in cartooning is unique, the differences in working in print vs. working for the screen, and trying to be a scholar for the first time. <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Now go listen!<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Craig Thompson&#8217;s\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/177046218X\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=177046218X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=CR2G23ZDLDQRUUJL\">Blankets<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=177046218X\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> is probably off the hook now, because I finally did a comic\u00a0even more sentimental. So now I made Craig look like Gary Panter.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7111\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-9065-2\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3?_=2\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\">http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=9065-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<p>We mention a few books in this episode. Here they are:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1596435739\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1596435739&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=BQVRZO6LJL2ZKPWD\">The Sculptor<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1596435739\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Scott McCloud<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/006097625X\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=006097625X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=FJUPYCSXP46FVOAQ\">Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=006097625X\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Scott McCloud<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0060953500\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0060953500&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=TBZJZVW3AB7K62F5\">Reinventing Comics: How Imagination and Technology Are Revolutionizing an Art Form<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0060953500\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Scott McCloud<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0060780940\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0060780940&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=YHKETT5TJBU2FEKC\">Making Comics: Storytelling Secrets of Comics, Manga and Graphic Novels<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0060780940\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Scott McCloud<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0061537276\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0061537276&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=5EX4MKPAXUNW55XC\">Zot!: The Complete Black and White Collection: 1987-1991<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0061537276\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Scott McCloud<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0141014083\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0141014083&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=GIZD6MQ7ZKFZRJRN\">Maus: A Survivor&#8217;s Tale<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0141014083\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Art Spiegelman<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0375714545\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0375714545&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=5UKWE67ZPC3Z5WED\">Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0375714545\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Chris Ware<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/161655407X\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=161655407X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=SPO2UM7DMV3TCDMF\">The Complete Elfquest Volume 1<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=161655407X\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Wendy Pini<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1563893428\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1563893428&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=5TWNM3MBY7MGAI4S\">The Dark Knight Returns<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1563893428\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Frank Miller<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1401245250\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1401245250&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=GXJODLYDUDLG3HKH\">Watchmen<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1401245250\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Alan Moore<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1770461299\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1770461299&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=DB43QPPBMWJVZP4P\">Beautiful Darkness<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1770461299\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Kerasco\u00ebt, Fabien Vehlmann<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1608198065\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1608198065&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=JC3DDN7UWC76SDET\">Can&#8217;t We Talk about Something More Pleasant?: A Memoir<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1608198065\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Roz Chast<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0871403145\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0871403145&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=3RWHOVTO3IKJPWN6\">Kill My Mother<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0871403145\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Jules Feiffer<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/177046218X\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=177046218X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=CR2G23ZDLDQRUUJL\">Blankets<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=177046218X\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Craig Thompson<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0375406506\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0375406506&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=RIHZNHSZFVORQIBI\">Here<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0375406506\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Richard McGuire<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1433126702\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1433126702&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=HB4DHYAPGWUESJD4\">Gamify Your Classroom: A Field Guide to Game-Based Learning (New Literacies and Digital Epistemologies)<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1433126702\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Matthew Farber<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1400078431\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1400078431&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=G5EG3UC3EAYVL6L7\">The Year of Magical Thinking<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1400078431\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Joan Didion<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1250049946\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1250049946&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=QVZCXMBMZB7DGBRV\">Rosalie Lightning: A Graphic Memoir<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1250049946\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Tom Hart<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0375415033\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0375415033&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=NFTFDVLIANUO7V4T\">Essays<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0375415033\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Orwell<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0143120530\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0143120530&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=EE5PQ6MXLR2IQUBQ\">Moonwalking with Einstein: The Art and Science of Remembering Everything<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0143120530\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Joshua Foer<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1938073533\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1938073533&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=IBRB2AV64WXXLLEN\">How Music Works<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1938073533\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; David Byrne<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1400077915\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1400077915&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=5LVAWNZJIOOVO5DY\">Runaway<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1400077915\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Alice Munro<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0061774359\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0061774359&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=7AFQI4RTDUUJC4V4\">Blonde: A Novel<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0061774359\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> &#8211; Joyce Carol Oates<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_137_-_Scott_McCloud.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Enjoy the conversation!<\/a>\u00a0Then check out\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-archive\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the archives<\/a>\u00a0for more great episodes! You might like:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-slow-learner\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Jules Feiffer<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podchast-parental-guidance\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Roz Chast<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-120-laboratory-of-imagination\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Lorenzo Mattotti<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-103-nostalgia-of-the-infinite\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Jim Woodring<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-106-the-magic-circle\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Matthew Farber<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Follow <em>The Virtual Memories Show<\/em> on <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-virtual-memories-show\/id531173075\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Twitter<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/VirtualMemoriesShow\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Facebook<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemoriespodcast.tumblr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tumblr<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemories.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">RSS<\/a>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>About our Guest<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/scottmccloud.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Scott McCloud<\/a> is the award-winning author of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/006097625X\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=006097625X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=FJUPYCSXP46FVOAQ\">Understanding Comics<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=006097625X\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0060780940\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0060780940&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=YHKETT5TJBU2FEKC\">Making Comics<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0060780940\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0061537276\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0061537276&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=5EX4MKPAXUNW55XC\">Zot!<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0061537276\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1596435739\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1596435739&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=BQVRZO6LJL2ZKPWD\">The Sculptor<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1596435739\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>, and many other fiction and non-fiction comics spanning 30 years. An internationally-recognized authority on comics and visual communication, technology, and the power of storytelling, McCloud has lectured at Google, Pixar, Sony, and the Smithsonian Institution. There&#8217;s a more extensive and funny bio <a href=\"http:\/\/scottmccloud.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">at his site<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><em>Credits: This episode\u2019s music is <\/em>Nothing&#8217;s Gonna Bring Me Down<em>\u00a0by David Baerwald, used with permission of the artist. The conversation was recorded during the <a href=\"http:\/\/spxpo.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Small Press Expo<\/a> at the Bethesda North Marriott Hotel on a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B005CQ2ZY6\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B005CQ2ZY6&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=CJEPMEYZVIFLY5AD\">Zoom H2n Handy Recorder<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B005CQ2ZY6\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> and a pair of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B002SQJLA4\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B002SQJLA4&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=voyantpublishing&amp;linkId=64RDM7RI2SABXGPL\">Blue enCORE 200 microphones<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=voyantpublishing&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B002SQJLA4\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> feeding into a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00KCXMBES\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00KCXMBES&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=voyantpublishing&amp;linkId=DRHR6463DEQ4TO3N\">Zoom H5<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=voyantpublishing&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00KCXMBES\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> digital recorder. 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