{"id":9175,"date":"2015-11-16T21:37:18","date_gmt":"2015-11-17T01:37:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=9175"},"modified":"2015-11-16T21:37:18","modified_gmt":"2015-11-17T01:37:18","slug":"episode-143-jennifer-hayden-and-summer-pierre","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-143-jennifer-hayden-and-summer-pierre","title":{"rendered":"Episode 143 &#8211; Jennifer Hayden and Summer Pierre"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Virtual Memories Show #143:<br \/>\nJennifer Hayden and Summer Pierre LIVE!<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9866\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-9175-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\">http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=9175-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Middle age is such a perfect term. You&#8217;re right in the middle of life. You could not be more in the middle of everything. Your parents are old, your kids are little. Life is just swirling around you.&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8211;Jennifer Hayden<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.topshelfcomix.com\/catalog\/the-story-of-my-tits\/655\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"9177\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-143-jennifer-hayden-and-summer-pierre\/titscover\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/titscover.jpg?fit=500%2C500\" data-orig-size=\"500,500\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"titscover\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/titscover.jpg?fit=500%2C500\" class=\"alignright wp-image-9177\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/titscover.jpg?resize=220%2C220\" alt=\"titscover\" width=\"220\" height=\"220\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/titscover.jpg?resize=440%2C440 440w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/titscover.jpg?resize=170%2C170 170w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/titscover.jpg?w=500 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 220px) 100vw, 220px\" \/><\/a>Time for another LIVE episode of the <em>Virtual Memories Show<\/em>! <a href=\"http:\/\/jenniferhayden.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Jennifer Hayden<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.topshelfcomix.com\/catalog\/the-story-of-my-tits\/655\" target=\"_blank\">The Story of My Tits<\/a>) and <a href=\"http:\/\/summerpierre.com\" target=\"_blank\">Summer Pierre<\/a> (<em>Paper Pencil Life<\/em>) join us at <a href=\"http:\/\/labyrinthbooks.com\" target=\"_blank\">Labyrinth Books<\/a> in Princeton, NJ\u00a0to\u00a0talk about comics, cancer, middle age, art vs. work, learning compassion through memoir, and more!\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Give it a listen!<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;With my mom dying, I thought, &#8216;Oh, I&#8217;m gonna die? Great, I work well with deadlines!'&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8211;Summer Pierre<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/summerjencrop.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"9178\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-143-jennifer-hayden-and-summer-pierre\/summerjencrop\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/summerjencrop.jpg?fit=392%2C281\" data-orig-size=\"392,281\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"summerjencrop\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/summerjencrop.jpg?fit=392%2C281\" class=\"alignright wp-image-9178\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/summerjencrop.jpg?resize=439%2C315\" alt=\"summerjencrop\" width=\"439\" height=\"315\" \/><\/a>According to Labyrinth Books&#8217; promo for the event, &#8220;Art is not something we create in isolation. Art happens between the diaper change and the trip to the vet. Between the car accident and the roast chicken. Every day we fight to seize a little more art from the jaws of this wild existence. \u00a0And if we&#8217;re lucky we catch the spark while it&#8217;s rising. Autobiographical cartoonists and graphic novelists Jennifer Hayden, and Summer Pierre discuss their graphic lives with moderator Gil Roth of the Virtual Memories Show.&#8221; It&#8217;s a great conversation about making art in the interstices of life, so <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">go listen!<\/a>\u00a0<em>(And go buy <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1603090541\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1603090541&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=K2245WETQTB5ZEFJ\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Story of My Tits<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1603090541\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>!)<\/em><br \/>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9867\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-9175-2\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3?_=2\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\">http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=9175-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/virtualmemories\/Episode_143_-_Jennifer_Hayden_and_Summer_Pierre.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Enjoy the conversation!<\/a>\u00a0Then check out\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-archive\" target=\"_blank\">the archives<\/a>\u00a0for more great episodes! You might like:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-mimi-pond-the-customer-is-always-wrong\" target=\"_blank\">Mimi Pond<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podchast-parental-guidance\" target=\"_blank\">Roz Chast<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-35-cents-a-stamp\" target=\"_blank\">John Porcellino<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-much-abides\" target=\"_blank\">Ashton Applewhite<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-our-lady-of-organized-vituperation\" target=\"_blank\">Mary Fleener<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Follow <em>The Virtual Memories Show<\/em> on <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-virtual-memories-show\/id531173075\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\">Twitter<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/VirtualMemoriesShow\" target=\"_blank\">Facebook<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemoriespodcast.tumblr.com\" target=\"_blank\">Tumblr<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemories.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\">RSS<\/a>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>About our Guests<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jenniferhayden.com\/\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"9180\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-143-jennifer-hayden-and-summer-pierre\/jenniferpromopic\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/jenniferpromopic.jpg?fit=250%2C375\" data-orig-size=\"250,375\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"jenniferpromopic\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/jenniferpromopic.jpg?fit=250%2C375\" class=\"alignright wp-image-9180\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/jenniferpromopic.jpg?resize=200%2C300\" alt=\"jenniferpromopic\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/jenniferhayden.com\" target=\"_blank\">Jennifer Hayden<\/a> came to comics from fiction-writing and children\u2019s book illustration. Her new book, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1603090541\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1603090541&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=K2245WETQTB5ZEFJ\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Story of My Tits<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1603090541\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> (Top Shelf, 2015), is a 352-page graphic memoir and breast cancer narrative. Her previous book, the autobiographical collection <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1603090762\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1603090762&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=6VXBHOPDH6SOGZIH\" rel=\"nofollow\">Underwire<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1603090762\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> (Top Shelf, 2011), was excerpted in the <em>Best American Comics<\/em> 2013 and named one of \u201cthe best comics by women\u201d by DoubleX. She is a member of <a href=\"http:\/\/activatecomix.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Activate<\/a> (the premier webcomics collective in New York City), where she posts her webcomic <a href=\"http:\/\/activatecomix.com\/176.comic\" target=\"_blank\">S\u2019crapbook<\/a>, which earned a Notable listing in the <em>Best American Comics<\/em> 2012. Jennifer currently posts the daily diary strip Rushes at <a href=\"http:\/\/thegoddessrushes.blogspot.com\" target=\"_blank\">thegoddessrushes.blogspot.com<\/a>. Her comics have appeared in print anthologies such as The <em>Activate Primer, Cousin Corrine\u2019s Reminder,<\/em> and <em>The Strumpet<\/em>. After hours, Jennifer plays electric fiddle with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/TheRockyHillRamblers\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Rocky Hill Ramblers<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/carlhoward.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Spring Hill Band<\/a>. She lives in Central New Jersey with her husband, their two college-age children, two cats, and the dog.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/summerpierre.com\/\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"9182\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-143-jennifer-hayden-and-summer-pierre\/summerillo\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/summerillo.jpg?fit=300%2C404\" data-orig-size=\"300,404\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Perfection V37\/V370&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"summerillo\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/summerillo.jpg?fit=300%2C404\" class=\"alignright wp-image-9182\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/summerillo.jpg?resize=200%2C269\" alt=\"summerillo\" width=\"200\" height=\"269\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/summerpierre.com\" target=\"_blank\">Summer Pierre<\/a> is a cartoonist, illustrator, writer, and teacher living in the Hudson Valley, NY. She makes an autobiographical comic called <a href=\"https:\/\/summerpierre.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Paper Pencil Life<\/a>, and is the author of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0399535640\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0399535640&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=5OGFLRMB7ZU4GF3F\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Artist in the Office: How to Creatively Survive and Thrive Seven Days a Week<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0399535640\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> (which the <em>Boston Globe<\/em> called, &#8220;A virtual bible for artists and day jobs&#8221;) and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0399536248\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0399536248&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=2AKNWAYYT3EPRD2M\" rel=\"nofollow\">Great Gals: Inspired Ideas for Living a Kick-Ass Life<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0399536248\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>. Her writing and art have appeared in <em>The Rumpus, Hobart, The Nashville Review<\/em> &amp; <em>Booth Literary Journal<\/em>, among other places.<\/p>\n<p><em>Credits: This episode\u2019s music is <\/em>Nothing&#8217;s Gonna Bring Me Down<em>\u00a0by David Baerwald, used with permission of the artist. The conversation was recorded at the Labyrinth Books in Princeton on a pair of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B002SQJLA4\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B002SQJLA4&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=voyantpublishing&amp;linkId=64RDM7RI2SABXGPL\">Blue enCORE 200 microphones<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=voyantpublishing&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B002SQJLA4\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> and a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B002SQJL9U\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B002SQJL9U&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=virtualmemories-20&amp;linkId=GF3LATVP6NKB65LT\" rel=\"nofollow\">Blue enCORE 100 microphone<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=virtualmemories-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B002SQJL9U\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> feeding into a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00KCXMBES\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00KCXMBES&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=voyantpublishing&amp;linkId=DRHR6463DEQ4TO3N\">Zoom H5<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=voyantpublishing&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00KCXMBES\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> digital recorder. I recorded the intro and outro on a\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B002VA464S\/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B002VA464S&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=voyantpublishing\">Blue Yeti USB Microphone<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=voyantpublishing&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B002VA464S\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>. Processing was done in Audacity and Logic Pro.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Virtual Memories Show #143: Jennifer Hayden and Summer Pierre LIVE! &#8220;Middle age is such a perfect term. You&#8217;re right in the middle of life. You could not be more in the middle of everything. Your parents are old, your kids are little. 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