{"id":17874,"date":"2025-12-09T08:33:11","date_gmt":"2025-12-09T13:33:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?p=17874"},"modified":"2025-12-09T08:33:14","modified_gmt":"2025-12-09T13:33:14","slug":"episode-666-morten-hoi-jensen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-666-morten-hoi-jensen","title":{"rendered":"Episode 666 &#8211; Morten Hoi Jensen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Virtual Memories Show 666:<br \/>\nMorten H\u00f8i Jensen<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2152\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-17874-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3\">https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/?powerpress_pinw=17874-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Interviews\/The-Virtual-Memories-Show-p1091071\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_tunein\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on TuneIn\" rel=\"nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/feed\/podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/subscribe-to-podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Part of what The Magic Mountain is about is the sense of having lived through a really major rupture in time, of living through a moment in which an old order is falling apart. And that&#8217;s the way in which it most speaks to our time.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9780300233742\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17876\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/episode-666-morten-hoi-jensen\/9780300233742-jpg\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780300233742.jpg.avif\" data-orig-size=\"596,921\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"9780300233742.jpg\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780300233742.jpg-401x620.jpg\" class=\"alignright wp-image-17876\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780300233742.jpg-285x440.jpg?resize=280%2C433\" alt=\"\" width=\"280\" height=\"433\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780300233742.jpg.avif 285w, https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780300233742.jpg.avif 401w, https:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/wp-content\/uploads\/9780300233742.jpg.avif 596w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 280px) 100vw, 280px\" \/><\/a>With <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9780300233742\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">THE MASTER OF CONTRADICTIONS: Thomas Mann and the Making of <em>The Magic Mountain<\/em><\/a> (Yale University Press), <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mortenhoijensen.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Morten H\u00f8i Jensen<\/a> brings us a masterful biography of one of the great novels of the 20th century and shows how it and its author speak to our present moment. We talk about Morten&#8217;s history with Mann&#8217;s novel, his weeks of research in the sanatoria of Davos and his discovery of how much of <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9780679772873\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>The Magic Mountain<\/em><\/a>&#8216;s world is intact a century later, and how Mann&#8217;s novel changed for him in the process of writing this book. We get into Mann&#8217;s political transformation from a nationalist into an antifascist, how art &amp; politics can make for a disastrous mix, Mann&#8217;s rivalry with his novelist brother Heinrich, and what it was like to write about a novel about life in a TB clinic while in the middle of a pandemic. We also discuss the weird connection I draw between Mann and Thomas Pynchon, how Morten became a literary biographer via the biography of another novel, spiritualism before and after WWI, how he came around on the chapter of <em>The Magic Mountain<\/em> that bored him in his earlier readings, why Robert Musil resented Mann, whether it&#8217;s okay to write margin notes and never look at them, and more. <a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Give it a listen!<\/a> And go read <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9780300233742\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">THE MASTER OF CONTRADICTIONS<\/a>!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Mann doesn&#8217;t come at politics in a straight and narrow way. Nothing is ever really straightforward for him, but the more I researched his later antifascism, the deeper my admiration for his courage became.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/kk5nSaQHOOo?si=nFhoih0EcKhH4JKb\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Approaching a novelist through their creation feels to me a more fruitful way of approaching questions of biography.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe style=\"width: 100%; max-width: 660px; overflow: hidden; border-radius: 10px;\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/episode-666-morten-hoi-jensen\/id531173075?i=1000740411044\" height=\"175\" frameborder=\"0\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;In some respects, Mann may not have realized how much this novel is about the years in which it&#8217;s written.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border-radius: 12px;\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/45Bg8XsNSMmhPXK5yjv6Zw?utm_source=generator\" width=\"100%\" height=\"352\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/secure\/virtualmemories\/Episode_666_-_Morten_Hoi_Jensen.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Enjoy the conversation!<\/a>\u00a0Then check out\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/chimeraobscura.com\/vm\/podcast-archive\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the archives<\/a>\u00a0for more great episodes!<\/p>\n<p>Lots of ways to follow <em>The Virtual Memories Show<\/em>! <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-virtual-memories-show\/id531173075\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4itPQhel9GzH3WK2iXr4Zw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/vmspod.bsky.social\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">BlueSky<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/vmspod\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Instagram<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCXoLbP-9GbhHJZpCQP5TR5A\/videos?view_as=subscriber\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YouTube<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemoriespodcast.tumblr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tumblr<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/virtualmemories.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">good ol&#8217; RSS<\/a>!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>About our Guest<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mortenhoijensen.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Morten H\u00f8i Jensen<\/a> is the author of <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9780300233742\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Master of Contradictions: Thomas Mann and the Making of The Magic Mountain<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/a\/4669\/9780300218930\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">A Difficult Death: The Life and Work of Jens Peter Jacobsen<\/a>. His writing has appeared in <em>The Washington Post, The New York Review of Books, Liberties: A Journal of Culture and Politics, The Literary Review, The Los Angeles Review of Books, The Point, The New Republic, The Wall Street Journal<\/em>, and <em>Commonweal<\/em>, among other publications. He currently works as the European Liaison for <em>Liberties: A Journal of Culture and Politics<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>Credits: This episode\u2019s music is <\/em>Fella<em>\u00a0by <a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/may4th\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hal Mayforth<\/a>, used with permission from\u00a0the artist. The conversation was recorded remotely via <a href=\"https:\/\/zencastr.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Zencastr<\/a>. I used a <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3cGZ1Em\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Heil PR-40 Dynamic Studio Recording Microphone<\/a> feeding into a <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3Q9Br0z\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Zoom PodTrak P4<\/a>. All processing and editing done in <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3RwlQsW\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Adobe Audition CC<\/a>. Photo of Morten by Darren Gerrish. It&#8217;s on my <a href=\"https:\/\/instagram.com\/vmspod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">instagram<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Virtual Memories Show 666: Morten H\u00f8i Jensen &#8220;Part of what The Magic Mountain is about is the sense of having lived through a really major rupture in time, of living through a moment in which an old order is falling apart. 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