Virtual Memories Show 634:
Dan Nadel
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“You could tell a story about the history of comics, and drawing, and even music through Crumb’s life.”
Author and curator Dan Nadel joins the show to celebrate the publication of his amazing new biography, CRUMB: A Cartoonist’s Life (Scribner). We get into Robert Crumb‘s significance in American art, comics, and culture, Dan’s first experience with a Crumb comic (it was an ish of American Splendor), the challenge of capturing the underground comics scene of the ’60s & ’70s, and what it took for him to get over the “R. Crumb” persona and realize how integrated Robert’s personality is. We talk about Crumb’s role as nexus in the history of comics, the book’s focus on Crumb’s drawing and how different tools opened him up artistically, what it means to see Crumb as part of tradition and not just a conceptual outlier, how his Crumb differs from the Crumb of Terry Zwigoff’s documentary, and the one detail he’s still dying to find out about Zap Comix. We also discuss Dan’s comics and art upbringing, how he found his place as a publisher then gallery & museum curator, how he was affected by the death of Crumb’s wife Aline in 2022, how his museum experience prepared him for writing about the racist and sexist aspects of Crumb’s comics, the only cartoonist biography he could tackle after Crumb, whether Crumb’s Book of Genesis succeeds as comics, and a lot more. Give it a listen! And go read CRUMB: A Cartoonist’s Life!
“I’m not a believer in a lot, but I’m a real believer in art.”
“One of the challenges of a biography like this is that a lot of the people are dead, and a lot of the people were high.”
“The last thing I wanted to do was colonize Crumb’s life.”
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About our Guest
Dan Nadel is a writer and curator. His previous books include, It’s Life as a I See It: Black Cartoonists in Chicago, 1940–1980; Peter Saul: Professional Artist Correspondence, 1945–1976; and Art Out of Time: Unknown Comic Visionaries, 1900–1969. He has curated exhibitions for galleries and museums internationally including the Museum of Contemporary Art Chicago, the Manetti Shrem Museum of Art, UC Davis, and the Whitney Museum of American Art. He is the founder of PictureBox, a publishing and packaging company that produced over one hundred books, objects, and zines from 2000 to 2014, including the Grammy Award–winning design for Wilco’s 2004 album A Ghost Is Born. Dan is the curator-at-large for the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art. He lives in Brooklyn with his family.
Credits: This episode’s music is Fella by Hal Mayforth, used with permission from the artist. The conversation was recorded at Dan’s home on a pair of Blue enCORE 200 microphones feeding into a Zoom PodTrak P4 digital recorder & interface. I recorded the intro and outro on a Heil PR-40 Dynamic Studio Recording Microphone feeding into a Zoom PodTrak P4. All processing and editing done in Adobe Audition CC. Photo of Dan by Beowulf Sheehan; photo of Aline & Robert Crumb by me. It’s on my instagram.
Fantastic episode, Gil! I look forward to reading Nadel’s Crumb bio, and to seeing him talking about it in Los Angeles next week.